that's when, as you pointed out, he was talking about -- serious karl rove discussing the politics of the easter egg roll. >> that was on fox on friday. the easter egg roll tied in with the massively important issue of the white house tours and stuff like that. but you know, so karl rove says the next republican nominee could support gay marriage and they're obviously going to be -- i assume they'll be completely different on immigration and so this is -- this goes to the tension, you know. this right wing civil war and it's being waged quietly now because there's not a ton at stake in terms of elections but my gosh. ten years ago if you had thought a republican -- and republican leaders are basically urging politicians to embrace gay marriage, you know, the opposition which has been a cornerstone in the previous decade. suddenly embrace immigration reform and things like that. so you know, i don't think it is being done out of goodwill, honestly. i think is being done out of flip flopping and watching the polls. this is where the tension comes from, ralph reed talking about evangelic